Monday July 7th, 2014 17:49 Abiogenesis: Miller-Urey and Orgel

A clip from the groundbreaking “Ascent of Man” documentary from the BBC, which discusses experiments and other theories surrounding abiogenesis, and contains a dramatization of the Miller-Urey experiment, and actual photos/clips from Orgel’s experiments. The experiments: Miller-Urey Orgel Despite the controversy surrounding the results of these experiments, the fact remains that they indeed did produce various amino acids, including adenine, in the case of the Orgel experiments. Also of note is that this series was produced in 1973, and even more compelling information has of course come to light. New techniques were used recently (2008) on the vials of results of the Miller-Urey experiment, and found that 22 amino acids were created in that experiment, instead of the 5 that Miller was able to isolate. News article here: www.sciencedaily.com More information: en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org www.talkorigins.org talkorigins.org The Ascent of Man, while dated, is an EXCELLENT documentary, and I highly recommend watching the entire series.

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    23 Comments on “Abiogenesis: Miller-Urey and Orgel”

    • JungleJargon March 19, 2012 at 1:35 pm

      I understand very well that TV snow noise will never form an image because there is always much more disorder than any order.

      Do you understand that?

    • qabala March 19, 2012 at 9:54 pm

      Yes I understand your equivocation fallacy quite clearly.

      Do YOU understand it?

    • JungleJargon March 21, 2012 at 4:11 pm

      You can’t show me a directed function that does not have a maker.

    • CrippledKnight March 21, 2012 at 10:18 pm

      So, they changed the name from Spontaneous Generation to Abiogenesis… great… It has been proven that the chances for the most simple life form to come out of non living atoms, which have no way or reason to direct themselves or survive is less than 1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000… Nonetheless anybody who dares mention the word: inteliggent designed, is somehow frowned upon, even though the more we know, the more impossible it becomes for life to randomly make itself.

    • qabala March 22, 2012 at 8:06 am

      You can’t prove that any living “function” is directed. So what?

      This does not change the fact that you are making up something called a “law of disorder” and trying to pass it off as scientific.

    • JungleJargon March 22, 2012 at 2:45 pm

      I did not make up the law of disorder and you cannot show me a directed function that results from disorder so you are wrong twice.

      It is science that directed functions always have a Maker because directed functions have a Director/Maker.

    • JungleJargon March 22, 2012 at 2:51 pm

      It is so sad that people would rather believe anything other than what is clearly and obviously true. The core issue is that they don’t give credit where credit is due.

      Giving the credit to objects for all of our directed function is just nonsense. Anyone can see that if they were not so afraid to see the truth that we do have a Maker that we have to answer to.

    • CrippledKnight March 22, 2012 at 8:45 pm

      Yes. It is good nonetheless to see that there are still people that actually use their brain and try to reason, not believing this new flat earthers… I’m really sorry for using the flat earth thing but it is very similar to what these people believe. I mean if you start reading the book about the origin, and you read down a few pages down where it explain the complexity of a cell… it is absolutely impossible for it to randomly be created; yet, we’re fools for believing in intelligent design.

    • qabala March 22, 2012 at 9:24 pm

      I asked you for a scientific paper describing a “law of disorder” but you have yet to provide even one and you can’t show me how any biological function is “directed” so no, I’m not wrong on either count. It is, in fact, you who is, both, wrong and dishonest.

      You are making up your own unrepeatable and untestable B.S. and calling it science.

    • JungleJargon March 26, 2012 at 12:33 pm

      I already showed you there is a law of disorder and you still keep saying it does not exist. You are wrong. Get over it.

      The function of hydrogen inside of you is a directed function. You are wrong on that too. Get over it.

      You are the one who keeps putting your foot in your mouth.

      You are wrong. Get over it and start telling the truth.

      Objects and forces did not make or refine what you are.

      The directed function of the elements inside of you prove that you have a Maker.

    • qabala March 26, 2012 at 12:43 pm

      Please remind me what scientific source you cited for this “law of disorder”. I have scoured the above comments and can’t find even one. On this, you are lying.

      You still have yet to show how hydrogen, or any other element, is directed in any way. If you claim you have, then you are, again, lying.

      I have never said that “objects” refined me or made me what I am. If you claim I have, then you are, yet again, lying. – Except this lie is a false witness against me. Remember the commandments!

    • JungleJargon March 26, 2012 at 12:46 pm

      They must have severe memory loss or it could be that the facts are not registering in their thinking.

      An arrowhead has a maker and yet the nanotechnology, that we still do not fully understand, utilized in life forms is said to have organized itself without a mind.

      These “scientists” should be ashamed of themselves for not thinking things through all the way. Their baseless belief that objects and forces organized and ordered their existence is in contrast to every scientific norm there is.

    • JungleJargon March 26, 2012 at 12:49 pm

      (Don’t get me started, their baseless belief in evolution is so annoying!)

    • JungleJargon March 26, 2012 at 6:07 pm

      I already told you to type “the law of disorder” into your browser address window.

      Do you want to know how hydrogen and the other elements are directed inside of us?

      It can’t be that hard. Hydrogen powers hundreds of trillions of electric motors inside of you.

      You shouldn’t have a problem with me if you don’t think that objects and forces made or refined what you are.

    • qabala March 26, 2012 at 6:17 pm

      I did type “law of disorder” into google. There was not a single scientific source. Again, YOU are making the claim so the impetus is on YOU to directly cite a source.

      Sure, hydrogen reacts with other chemicals and structures which results in ATP synthesis. Where is the “direction” you are citing?

      I have a problem with you because you have repeatedly accused me of claiming “objects” made or refined me. I have said no such thing nor does evolution propose such a thing.

    • JungleJargon March 31, 2012 at 6:20 pm

      That’s not what you said before.

      The law of entropy is known as the “law of disorder”.

      Every working function in life forms is directed. That is the only possible way for there to even be a working function, in real life.

      Abiogenesis requires objects and forces to make working functions (which is impossible) and evolution requires objects and forces to refine life forms so they become better and more intelligent. (That is also impossible)

      Surviving and becoming better are not synonimous.

    • qabala March 31, 2012 at 7:59 pm

      You never confirmed that you were referring to the law of entropy (AKA “The 2nd law of thermodynamics”). Now that you’ve clarified, you obviously don’t know what the law ACTUALLY STATES. Especially since you’re two degrees removed from it’s actual nomenclature.

      Show me how all working functions must be directed. Show me what is “directing” them.

      Once you’ve done that, your statement about abiogenesis will have some validity.
      And no, evolution does not require anything you’ve ascribed to it.

    • JungleJargon March 31, 2012 at 9:49 pm

      Why did it take so long for you to ask what is directing the functions and why do you not even know what is directing the functions in life forms?

      Evolution does require that objects and forces refine life forms.

    • JungleJargon March 31, 2012 at 9:49 pm

      Why did it take so long for you to ask what is directing the functions and why do you not even know what is directing the functions in life forms?

      Evolution does require that objects and forces refine life forms.

    • JohnF30Music April 9, 2012 at 7:40 pm

      wow.. your ignorance is incredible

    • JungleJargon April 10, 2012 at 5:47 pm

      You failed to back up your slander.

      Objects did not make or refine what you are.

    • ray1351 May 20, 2012 at 12:48 pm

      the law of entropy applies to a closed system or the whole universe (which could be considered a closed system). but we have the sun which provides us with energy so earth is not a closed system

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